Sunday, October 31, 2010

New poll open : Who do you think took Kyron Horman?

 Poll on left hand side.  This is the poll question and choices:

Who do you think took Kyron Horman?

Kaine Horman alone

Terri Horman alone

Kaine and Terri together

Kaine Horman with help other than Terri

Terri Horman with help other than Kaine

Known by family independent of either Kaine or Terri

Stranger

Still on the fence - don't know

Kyron who ?


Does Kaine Horman's court documents prove Terri Horman is not guilty of doing anything to Kyron ?

The court documents filed on october 25 by Kaine Horman and his attorney contained inflammatory statements as well as irrelevant information apparently obtained from law enforcement for the sole purpose of defaming Terri Horman.1

Terri's attorneys did the right thing in filing court papers on october 29th  stating Kaine was trying to destroy his wife - and this is being done at the expense of his children.  What Kaine and his amateurish attorney failed to understand is Kaine, while stating Terri was an unfit mother and he thinks she did something to Kyron, he defamed her in such a way to prove she could not have been behind Kyron's disappearance.  It also shows Kaine Horman is at least emotionally abusing his daughter and using her as a pawn in a divorce war.

In the court documents, Kaine Horman states that Terri Horman was "passed out drunk several nights a week"  and had "slurred speech and staggering gait", etc.  If any of these allegations were true, then Kaine Horman shows he is an unfit parent by allowing Terri Horman to drive his children around if he thought she was a "staggering drunk".  Why was Terri's alleged alcohol abuse not mentioned in any court documents until it was recently brought up on online message boards?

So if Terri was this drunk and could not function, how is it she planned the alleged kidnapping and "stashing" of Kyron without law enforcement having discovered any evidence during the four months since Kyron disappeared?   As an alcoholic that was always drunk as Kaine claims, Terri was could never have made a competent plan to either "stash" Kyron or to kill him without leaving an evidence trail that has not been discovered by now.  Terri Horman is not even a suspect so if she did anything to Kyron and got away with it while drunk, either she could get away with planning numerous perfect crimes when sober or law enforcement is extremely incompetent.

Kiara Horman needs to be removed from Kaine's custody for her protection.  The emotional abuse of her being used in a pawn for her dad's vindictive narcissistic rage is child abuse.  She needs a Guardian ad litem appointed to protect her and her interests.  Kaine Horman needs to be given a mental evaluation by a psychologist experienced in diagnosing Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  He is a danger to anyone that crosses him - and he is a danger to his children.

By his own words and actions, Kaine Horman is making it difficult, if not impossible, for Terri to be convicted for anything even if she was guilty.  He is also making it very clear he was the one behind Kyron's disappearance and this was nothing more than a divorce / custody scam from day one.  Read my post : Parental Kidnapping - not as uncommon as you think

1.  http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine+October+25+Filing.pdf

Kyron Horman "reward fund"

A few weeks ago (october 1) Desiree Young, Kyrons birth mother, wanted people to donate money to increase the reward to "find Kyron".1   On october 3, The new media said  $85,000.  had been donated to "Kyron related efforts"2 --- which included the reward fund.  Kaine Horman said they could not keep the two separate so the donations went to the Kyron Horman foundation (for "searches") instead of the reward fund as it was intended to go.3
 Her [Deisree Youngs] plea for more money for the reward fund has triggered an increase in donations to the search and rescue fund. The problem is that there isn’t currently a mechanism for money from the search and rescue fund to be transferred over to the reward.

So, Kaine said, in the meantime, people can continue to give to the search and rescue fund or wait until there is a way to donate to the reward.4

So why is the reward for Kyron Horman still at $50,000. and what happened to the "reward" money people donated?


1.  http://kdrv.com/news/local/190710
2.  http://www.katu.com/news/local/104248539.html
3.  http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kaine-Horman-Please-be-patient-about-Kyron-case-104245979.html
4.  ibid

Poll results - for Terri Horman and Kaine Horman

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Poll ended  10/23  

Do you believe Terri Horman is guilty of doing anything to Kyron Horman?

Poll ended  10/31

Do you believe KAINE Horman is guilty of doing anything to Kyron Horman?

Yes! The facts PROVE it.
  15 (16%)

  7 (3%)

NO. S/he would not do anything to harm his/her son.
  18 (19%)

  59 (32%)

Not sure although I have my suspicions.
  25 (27%)

  81 (44%)

Not sure. I doubt s/he was responsible.
  31 (34%)

  34 (18%)

Kyron who?
  2 (2%)

  2 (1%)


Votes so far: 91
Poll closed

Votes so far: 183
Poll closed

Saturday, October 30, 2010

Kaine's Koolaid Drinkers or The Brainwashing of the masses

Please tell me this is a real life reality show or a brainwashing test of some sort by the government.  I cannot believe people can be so gullible that they allow themselves to be sucked into defending Kaine and his actions.  This has to be some sort of a set up to see how many people will capitulate to the group think.
For four months on the various forums people have complained because Terri has not said one word in her defense and, according to them, it "proves she is guilty".

Now Terri's attorneys file papers because of the defamation and illegal attributes in the court documents Kaine and his attorney filed on october 25th.

So Terri, through her attorneys, spoke in her defense just as people have demanded she do for four months --- and now they are saying she is "self centered" and "it's all about her" because she did.  Typical narcissist sock puppets - she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.  You can never win with a narcissist.

I'm embarrassed -and very scared -of being  an American if this is typical thinking of society.  It is not normal.
I want to know why the media is participating and allowing posts like this to exist:

"In the motion Terri Horman's attorneys say Kaine Horman is focused on his wife's destruction rather than their daughter's best interests."

They are the same thing.
So, Kaine is only interested in his wife's destruction and not the welfare of his daughter (according to her attorneys, anyway).

No, this is just Terri's attorneys proving they don't care for the welfare of that baby girl - only in getting what their client wants, at any cost. Whether she had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance, or not, this woman's background as well as her actions since Kyron's disappearance, have proven to me (in my mind) that she is not a fit parent and should not be given access to that child.

We don't need a smoke-screen to take away from the loss of a precious, little boy. Terri, "Where is Kryon?" How can her high-profile lawyers/defense team sleep at night knowing she is not telling the truth for heaven's sake about an innocent missing child?

this woman is a damn murder and she knows it, after all what should I believe from this no good piece of dyed red head, that send emails of her playing with her self!!!

 

Kaine's (paid?) cyber terrorists

Kaine Horman and Desiree Young go on TV and say they believe Kyron Horman is still alive and Terri "stashed" him somewhere.  Yet on the internet, Kaine's Sock Puppets (see: The herd mentality (Sock Puppetry) of the "Terri is guilty" crowd ) are harassing and threatening everyone that makes a statement even hinting that there is no evidence that Terri is guilty.  They also are accusing Terri of murder and "doing hideous things to Kyron" even though Kaine Horman and Desiree Young (as well as law enforcement) says Kyron is alive and there is no evidence to the contrary.

I have been contacted by several others that were on various forums and they suffered the harassment, name calling, being accused of being Terri, being stalked, etc. that I had happen on Oregonlive.  Not only the name calling and harassment from other users but the very same on every forum - over and over again until you stop posting:  You can say anything against Terri Horman - even stating that you would torture her to get to talk or even "she killed Kyron" but if you even hint Kaine or anyone else did it, your posts are immediately removed.  Some of the people who contacted me were even banned from the forums they were posting in just because they wanted to know exactly what the evidence is.  I have been threatened with lawsuits for months because I "speak against "saint" Kaine".

One person posting on the forums stated they would post in support for Terri Horman if they were paid (and insinuating that anyone who posted in support of Terri had to be paid)  This leaves me wondering if Kaine's cyber terrorists are being paid by him to harass those who support Terri or say anything against him.  Malignant narcissists are paranoid people and will do anything to retaliate against those who say anything against them.1

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_trying_to_destroy/4053/comments-newest.html
fatbbwginger October 30, 2010 at 1:34PM
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I want to sign up and be paid to make defensive comments on the internet on behalf of TH. Where do I sign up? I can use the extra money. Who the hell else would defend her? 
 Is  fatbbwginger a paid mercenary? One has to wonder about their conviction if they will "change sides" for money and can be bought and paid for.

After Kaine released the court papers documenting his narcissistic rage on october 25 and especially after Terri's attorneys posted papers on friday, Kaine's sock puppets have come out in force to defend him on every online forum.  For Kiara's sake, she needs to be appointed a Guardian ad litem and be removed from Kaine until he gets a mental evaluation.  he has shows his lack of concern for his children by releasing court documents and information the courts always keep sealed to protect the children.

The fact most of Kaine's Sock Puppet terrorists do not comprehend is that the papers currently being filed are for SUPERVISED visitation and not custody (custody was abated until january)  Kaine is demanding everything that was abated until january be done NOW.

One has to wonder why people are blindly supporting Kaine and acting like every word he said is gospel truth with nothing but the media printing his fairy tales to back it up?

Here is a few examples (VERY FEW) of Kaine Horman's cyber terrorists -  how they cannot rationally discuss anything and  how they use name calling, lies, and harassment to keep others from having a real discussion.  Unfortunately all of the news media sites allow this type of harassment and cyber bullying --- and then they wonder in their own news stories why kids are killing themselves due to cyber byllying and nobody stopped it (see:  Cyber bullying, depression, and suicide )  These people are cyber terrorists paid by Kaine Horman or they are mentally ill individuals that are a danger to society.  It may seem odd ALL of Kaine's defenders online show this mental illness although it's common for sock puppets of narcissists (see: Are all of Kaine Horman's Sock Puppets mentally unstable codependents? )

Why does the media allow this???

thaddeus46 75p ·
I still think an electric cattle prod applied to Terri Hormans privates would help find Kyron......
osupport said on October 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM
i think anonymous is this wacky Koolaide drinker from THSP named emily rose! she LOVES to bash kaine and call him a child molester, tries to spread rumors! she is a sick and twisted individual who needs to get back to her padded room where she belongs!! btw, did you all know dede spicher has her very own support page? she also posts on there and she posts on the terri horman support page....
tigress007 said on October 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM
this is no tennis match, far from it let,s call it chess check mate on TH you cold-hearted child killer.I hope you do not get to ever see kiera, Tell the authority's where he is,buried at , What did kiera see you do to her big brother. Or maybe giving you supervised visits and no physical contact and let you see and miss what you will never have in your arms ever again think of when Kyron was that age and imagine holding him in your arms. Now you can only hide behind the big houze for so long. Guess what i see in his eyes you need him big time .
fagan_lb said on October 28, 2010 at 12:11 PM
I don't know either party in this, but I too feel that poor Kyron lost his life in the hands of Terri Horman. Where there is no guilt there is a willingness to be out trying to clear your name, a willingness to say enough about me me me and lets find Kyron, but no, this woman hides and schemes with her lawyers on how not to incriminate herself. I feel for Kyron for having parents so inept that they could not protect their children. Kaine is a little too late in taking action to save Kyrons life, but hopefully he can pull it together and save his daughter from the monster lady. Any Judge who would give that woman a minute with that little girl should be removed from The Bench! It is better to err on the side of caution and say "hey there is too much at stake here for the courts to allow Terri any visitation at this time. But what am I saying?? The courts rarely do anything right.
workinmom said on October 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Don't forget she tried to hire a hitman to kill Kiara's father, let alone all the Kyron stuff . I'm just saying that there are other reasons, other than Kyron, that should be considered, like her obvious mental issues
hello said on October 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Sorry Terri...no visitiation for you until you cooperate with the police to find Kyron. Your failure to do whats right makes you a monster in my eyes.
 
KingofHillsboro October 16, 2010 at 12:06AM
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(fighting my way through the sludge of Terri lovers)
NO VISITATION FOR TERRI HORMAN! WHERE IS KYRON, TERRI?
YOU WILL BE FOREVER REMEMBERED AS THE DEMON THAT KILLED THAT SEVEN-YEAR-OLD BOY.
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1. http://samvak.tripod.com/narcissismparanoia.html
The narcissist's paranoid streak is likeliest to erupt when he lacks Narcissistic Supply. The regulation of his labile sense of self-worth is dependent upon external stimuli - adoration, adulation, affirmation, applause, notoriety, fame, infamy, and, in general, attention of any kind.
When such attention is deficient, the narcissist compensates by confabulating. He constructs ungrounded narratives in which he is the protagonist and uses them to force his human environment into complicity.
Put simply, he provokes people to pay attention to him by misbehaving or behaving oddly.
 confabulation
Psychiatry . the replacement of a gap in a person's memory by a falsification that he or she believes to be true.
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Terri Horman's attorneys make court move

As I stated a couple of days ago, Kaine Horman damaged the investigation by releasing the amateurish court papers his attorney filed on october 25th. (see: Kaine Horman caused severe problems for the criminal investigation and  Should Kaine Horman be arrested for interfering with a police investigation ?

I also stated that Terri's attorneys would now be able to get copies of all the documents that law enforcement allegedly gave to Kaine because Kaine claimed law enforcement told him Terri was guilty of hiring a hit man to have him killed and allegedly gave him the "sexting" messages in order for him to use them to defame Terri.

Yesterday (friday) BOTH of Terri's attorneys -divorce lawyer Peter Bunch and her criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze- filed court papers that stated Kaine was out to destroy Terri Horman and her relationship with her daughter :
"It is becoming evident that Father's mission is to completely destroy and sabotage the mother-child relationship," the lawyers wrote.
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"Such improper and sanctionable actions by Father and his counsel must be rejected by this court," Houze and Bunch wrote. "The inescapable conclusion is that such actions are not motivated by what is in the best interest of Kiara.1
I find it highly significant that both of Terri's attorneys filed this jointly and that they were not immediately "leaked" to the media as were the papers Kaine's attorney filed (proving Kaine is the one who released the papers his attorney filed).  It appears as Mr. Houze will be filing to depose the law enforcement investigators who allegedly gave Kaine the "evidence" collected during the investigation so Kaine could use in to defame Terri. Terri has the right to see the evidence because of Kaine's accusations in court documents.    I would not be surprised if Terri's attorneys also requested Kiara be appointed a Guardian ad litem and possibly filed to have her removed from Kaine to protect her from the emptional damage by her father.

The court could have Kaine arrested by court order for his interferenc in a police investigation.  In my opinion, Kaine will be the first one arrested in this case.  I also believe he will be facing defamation charges - something that CAN be used in court during the custody hearing in january.

1.  http://www.komonews.com/news/local/106370938.html
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Friday, October 29, 2010

Should Kaine Horman be arrested for interfering with a police investigation ?

If law enforcement is handling the investigation by giving all the information they find over to Kaine Horman, then they cannot be trusted and heads should roll - starting with the sheriff at the next election.  They need to protect the information relevant to finding Kyron Horman as well as maintain the integrity of their department.  Releasing  any information they have gathered during an investigation to aid Kaine Horman's divorce against his wife is opening themselves up to being deposed because Terri Horman has the right to the evidence being used against her. 

For the sheriff's department to release information to Kaine Horman they know will be "leaked" to the public opens the sheriff department up in a defamation lawsuit Terri's attorneys should file and it causes a lack of public trust in their department.  Terri has the right to see the information law enforcement has given to Kaine since Kaine stated in court documents (that he immediately leaked to the media) law enforcement told him Terri tried to hire his friend's landscaper buddy to kill him. Terri has the right to the evidence in order to defend herself against the allegations. Terri's attorneys could get get all of the evidence by subpoena that law enforcement allegedly gave to Kaine if they filed defamation lawsuits against him and/or the sheriff's department.

If Kaine is lying and claiming LE is giving him information when they are not, Kaine should be arrested for interfering with a police investigation. He could also be charged in lying to the court (via sworn affidavit)  If the information he is leaking to the media is "legitimate", then he is definitely interfering with the investigation to find his son by "leaking" the information.  Either way, his actions are grounds for his arrest.  He seems to forget this isn't just about his divorce and defaming his wife but it's about finding Kyron.

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Thursday, October 28, 2010

Kaine Horman caused severe problems for the criminal investigation

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/25/ijvm.01.html

Because of Kaine Horman's uncontrollable narcissistic rage against his wife, he may have caused irreversible harm to the law enforcement investigation by claiming in the court papers that Terri hired a hit man to kill him.1

Now Terri's attorney may demand the notes and tape recordings of the wiretap because they say that everything Kaine stated in the papers he filed is hearsay and they have the right to see it. The entire court document was narcissistic rage and 100% hearsay.  If it was written by Kaine's attorney, she needs to find another line of work.  It sounded 100% like Kaine Horman and I would bet he wrote it.

Former sheriff captain (now attorney) Bruce McCain stated there is no legal reason Terri will not receive supervised visitation with Kiara and that supervised visitations are common in Oregon.   I believe the court should appoint a Guardian at litem for Kiara to protect her from being used as a pawn in this divorced war.

Mr. McCain believes the two weekends of the Sauvie Island searches was a PR stunt to get  $209,000. more tax dollars to pay for the investigation .  I thought I had mentioned that too but can't find the link.

1.  http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine+October+25+Filing.pdf
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Parental Kidnapping - not as uncommon as you think

There are more than 350,000 parental kidnappings a year in the United States,  163,000 of these cases involve the concealment of a child, transporting the child out of state, or intent to keep the child permanently1

80% of the parental kidnappings are solved within a year; 90% within two years2

In the United States there are over 1,000 parental kidnapping cases involving U.S. children open that involve the child being taken out of the country.  The United States and 80 other countries have ratified the Hague Convention on International Child Abduction which the ratifying countries agree to honor custody agreements outside of their borders unless the child is in danger.This means there are many countries a kidnapper parent can take their child to without fear of the child being recovered by legal means.

If Kyron Horman was kidnapped, then it was by Kaine Horman because he had the money, the people, and the time to plan the kidnapping before he divorced Terri.  It is clear that Kaine Horman did not plan to stay married to Terri (see:  Did Kaine Horman always plan on divorcing Terri? ) and since they were together eight years and the average American marriage lasts seven years4 , there is enough to reason to believe that Kyron's kidnapping and blaming Terri was thought out and planned by Kaine.

When Desiree Young (Kaine's former wife, mother of Kyron Horman) was eight months pregnant, Kaine starting having an affair with Terri Moulton.  A month after Desiree served Kaine with divorce papers, she filed a restraining order against Kaine fearing he would kidnap Kyron as well as her son from a previous marriage.5
What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.5
Apparently something happened a month after serving Kaine with divorce papers that caused Desiree to fear that Kaine would not only take Kyron but her son from a former marriage as well.  Kaine learned from this.  He planned out a parental kidnapping so he could blame Terri for it and get custody not only of Kyron but full custody of Kiara as well.  It is also payback to Desiree for what she had done to him in the past - as well as to prevent Desiree from having custody or any contact with Kyron.  Malignant narcissists will NEVER let anyone get away with doing anything against them without punishing that person even if it takes years to do so.

Something may have gone wrong and Kaine may have killed Kyron although if that happened, I do not believe that was part of the original plan although I'm not sure.

If Terri had been the one to have planned a kidnapping, she would have planned it so she would have custody of her daughter Kiara, her birth daughter, and would have not just had Kyron, her step son, kidnapped.

1.   http://www.lostchildren.org/STATISTICS.htm
2.   ibid
3.   http://www.seattlepi.com/local/429213_japan28.html?source=rss
4.   http://www.lostchildren.org/STATISTICS.htm
5.   http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/

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Kaine Horman and Glen Anderson ?

My theory regarding the Kyron Horman case I mention that a friend who worked with Kaine in the past told me about Kaine's boyfriend and I showed how this was important in my theory (see: My alternate theory about the Kyron Horman case )

Here is a picture of Kaine Horman with Glen Anderson - rumored owner of the "bottoms up club1" - the place where you could get pics to "sext" message to your friend's phone in order to set up your wife2 :
Kaine Horman and Glen Anderson

1.  Bottoms Up is a Nude Strip Club in Portland, Oregon that offers Beer and Wine, Full Bar, Lunch, Dinner, Stage Dancing (Nude), Stage Dancing (Topless),  It is along HWY 30 accross from Sauvie Island and near the only cell phone tower in the area. 

2.  What is behind the alleged Terri Horman sexting messages?

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Are all of Kaine Horman's Sock Puppets mentally unstable codependents?

I have never seen a case where people are so brainwashed into believing the lies and defamation of one party against another and think they are facts because the media published them.

Law enforcement has never confirmed anything Kaine said they told him.  All we have is Kaine Horman's defamation against Terri Horman and the media publishing it because Kyron Horman went missing from the school on june 4.  The more I read how Kaine and Desiree was hounding and blaming Terri from the first day, the more I understand why Terri failed any polygraph she took (if she did fail - see: Obama's Nominee refuses polygraph; Green River Killer passes polygraph )  Stress and being gaslighted / blamed for something you know you did not do by your husband and his ex-wife (who still blames you for their marriage break up) would cause anyone to fail a polygraph.

In the Kyron Horman case, if you say anything against Terri Horman  if anyone says anything against you, it's something like "just wait and see how it turns out" Yet if you say anything against Kaine Horman or Desiree Young the herd joins right in and gangs up and bullies you and you are called "Terri", "DeDe", "lunatic" or "mentally deranged" because "Everyone knows Terri did it, the "facts" prove it" (what facts?  Kaine saying something does not make it a fact) and then you are threatened with repeat harassment and are stalked because you dare speak anything against Kaine Horman, the person who most likely kidnapped and maybe even killed his own son to get back at his ex-wife and soon to be ex-wife. (see: The herd mentality (Sock Puppetry) of the "Terri is guilty" crowd )

Codependent definition 

http://www.winning-teams.com/definitions.html

The terms 'codependent', 'enabler', 'follower', 'covert narcissist' 'inverted narcissist' and co-narcissist are used interchangeably in respect of people who are emotionally dependent on narcissists. Narcissists surround themselves with codependents etc as they tend to work beyond healthy (and sometimes ethical) limits to do whatever the narcissist needs. Narcissists crave power and codependents etc crave security, so they are drawn to one another.

And to see that Kaine Horman is, indeed, a malignant narcissist (synonym for Narcissistic Personality Disorder)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652
By Mayo Clinic staff 
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Kau-Nu/Narcissistic-personality-disorder.html

DSM-IV-TR specifies nine diagnostic criteria for NPD. For the clinician to make the diagnosis, an individual must fit five or more of the following descriptions:
  1.   He or she has a grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates accomplishments and demands to be considered superior without real evidence of achievement).
  2.   He or she lives in a dream world of exceptional success, power, beauty, genius, or "perfect" love.
  3.   He or she thinks of him- or herself as "special" or privileged, and that he or she can only be understood by other special or high-status people.
  4.  He or she demands excessive amounts of praise or admiration from others.
  5.  He or she feels entitled to automatic deference, compliance , or favorable treatment from others.
  6.  He or she is exploitative towards others and takes advantage of them.
  7.  He or she lacks empathy and does not recognize or identify with others' feelings.
  8.  He or she is frequently envious of others or thinks that they are envious of him or her.
  9.  He or she "has an attitude" or frequently acts in haughty or arrogant ways.
In addition to these criteria, DSM-IV-TR groups NPD together with three other personality disorders in its so-called Cluster B. These four disorders are grouped together on the basis of symptom similarities, insofar as patients with these disorders appear to others as overly emotional, unstable, or self-dramatizing. The other three disorders in Cluster B are antisocial, borderline, and histrionic personality disorders.

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR Fourth Edition (Text Revision)

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What is behind the alleged Terri Horman sexting messages?

When filing the contempt of court motion in july, Kaine claims law enforcement told him that Terri’s alleged “sexual overtures” to Michael Cook resembled those she allegedly made to the landscaper (Kaine’s nursery owner friend’s buddy) she allegedly hired to kill him.
Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine.1
Now in the newest court documents filed to defame Terri (see: What is going on with the Kyron Horman case? ) Kaine  also released transcripts of the alleged “sexting” Terri did with Michael Cook2 that Kaine claims he received from law enforcement.  Because of the graphic nature, I will not post any of it here although you can see the link to read it yourself.

Why is law enforcement giving Kaine evidence when they are still investigating a criminal case?

Why was the alleged evidence given to Kaine not under a gag order to prevent him from releasing it to the media since it is part of a criminal investigation?  Doesn’t releasing any evidence by Kaine jeopardize the investigation of his son’s apparent disappearance?

In the alleged "sexting" by Terri Horman, she makes reference to her phone being monitored and having “clean” (IE: untraceable) cell phones.

Thanks to Dr. Pickle for making the following points

Why would Terri Horman still be using a cell phone on Kaine Horman’s cell phone plan after he served her with divorce papers and she had hired an attorney - especially since she knew the phone was monitored?

Why would Terri Horman use a “dirty” (IE: monitored) cell phone to “sext” message Kaine’s friend when she could have used the “clean” cell phone she had in her possession?  Why would she mention to Michael Cook he should lie about her allegedly going to his house since she knew the phone was monitored?

Who really had custody of the cell phone?  Did Michael Cook take it and give it to Kaine before the alleged “sext” messages?  Who actually sent the “sexting” messages?  Apparently Terri allegedly also sent a picture of her breasts and more graphic pictures.  How is it proven they are of Terri?  Could it be the female pictures were of Kaine's Friend and sent to make it appear Terri was the one sending the messages?  This happened after Terri hired her defense attorney and after she obtained “clean” phones on the advice of her attorney’s investigator.  Why would she jeopardize her defense after hiring an attorney by sending “sexting” messages on a phone she KNEW was monitored?  If Terri was doing the "sexting", she would have clearly used an unmonitored phone.

Kaine Horman is an engineer at Intel and he either knows how to clone phones or knows someone that does.  If he planned Kyron Horman’s disappearance well in advance, he could have had the phone cloned with no record and nobody knowing – or he could have sent Michael Cook on a reconnaissance mission to get the phone from Terri (she was using an unmonitored phone and may have not known her monitored phone – the one on Kaine’s cell phone plan - was missing)  Certainly she was not using the monitored phone on Kaine’s cell phone plan after she moved from her home – but some of the alleged “sexting” apparently occurred after she moved out.

There was absolutely NO reason to release the “sexting” messages to the public other than to defame and gaslight Terri Horman.  No normal parent would have released this type of alleged “sexting” by Terri Horman when minor children are involved.  Releasing alleged evidence in a criminal investigation jeopardizes the investigation and is inappropriate when done by someone other than law enforcement.

Once again Kaine Horman is in a narcissistic rage and is angry that the abatement was granted and the divorce was put off until january.  Like all narcissists, he wants things when he wants them and he wants it NOW.  He will not stop until he gets his own way.

Why is law enforcement and the courts not stopping Kaine Horman from releasing alleged evidence in Kyron Horman's disappearance???  This is outrageous that this is being allowed to happen and everyone is standing back and allowing documents involving minor children to be released to the public.

I hope when Terri is granted visitation that someone checks Kiara out before Terri has contact with her.  It is not beyond the malignant narcissist to harm Kiara and set Terri up to be blamed for it.

1.    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Terri-Hormans-sexting-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html
2.    http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/redacted-text-messages.PDF

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Do You Think English is Easy?

Thanks to Peter for emailing this to me 

People complain because many immigrants do not learn English.  People who grew up speaking English do not realize it is a difficult language to learn.  Read this and [maybe] you will understand:

Can you read these right the first time?

1) The bandage was wound around the wound.

2) The farm was used to produce produce .

3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

4) We must polish the Polish furniture.

5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.

6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.

7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present

8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

10) I did not object to the object.

11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.

12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row

13) They were too close to the door to close it.

14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.

15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.

16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.

17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.

18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.

19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.

20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

Practice Makes Perfect: English Vocabulary For Beginning ESL Learners (Practice Makes Perfect Series)

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Email addresses in comments

If you leave your email address in a comment, I will have it and will not post any comments with email addresses in them. Identify yourself so I know whether I want to email you or not (I do not want to communicate with people who have threatened me)

To the person that asked - I do not have your email address. I do have a few peoples from OL (Oregonlive) because we exchanged them a few months ago.

Tuesday, October 26, 2010

Kaine Horman: Unfit parent

Thank you Peter

Peter brought up an interesting point.  Kaine was the one who likely released the court documents to the media after filing them (and why they have the court stamps on them)

If so, Kaine Horman is an unfit parent because he released court documents in which he defames his wife with irrelevant information to the visitation hearing and hurt his children by doing so.  Family court documents are normally sealed to protect the minor children - something any normal parent would want.   Kaine Horman is in a narcissistic rage because the abatement hearing postponed the divorce and custody until january and he is attempting to cause everything to be settled RIGHT NOW instead of waiting until january as the court ordered. The document was obviously prepared for the public and not the court. 

NOTHING in yesterdays court documents have any relevance to supervised visitation (the purpose it was filed for) - everything in it is relevant to custody and to the divorce hearing - which will not be heard until january.

The judge and the courts need to automatically seal any documents and issue gag orders regarding custody and visitation in this case to prevent Kaine Horman from using the court system to defame and gaslight his wife (as well as brainwash the public) which harms his children.  It is shameful this behavior is being allowed. The child(ren) need to be removed to protect them from being used as pawns in a divorce war that everyone who had eyes open could see coming from a mile away.

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What is going on with the Kyron Horman case?

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine+October+25+Filing.pdf

The court papers with wild allegations is one thing.  For the court to be releasing documents related to a divorce with minor children involved is another.  Documents relating to divorce proceedings - which includes custody and visitation with minor children - are sealed to protect the child or children - but not in this case.

Family court documents are always sealed and it takes a judge to unseal them to make them public (like in the restraining order filed by Kaine)  For what purpose are these highly inflammatory court documents being released to the public even before a judge has a chance to rule whether they should be unsealed or not?  Why does the media have direct access to family court documents after they are filed? (they have the court stamp on them)  Why has the judge not ruled to keep the child custody / visitation documents sealed since it has to do with minor children?  It has nothing to do with any criminal case. 

Why are the parents not protesting the public release of documents regarding their children?  Why are the attorneys not protesting if the parents won't?

Why does yesterday's court documents filed by Kaine look like amateur hour and has nothing relevant that would prevent a supervised visitation between Terri Horman and Kiara?  It demands mental evaluations and items related to custody and the divorce --- items that the judge abated until january.  It was obviously written for the media and for the view of the people.  It is manipulation and brainwashing of the general public and maybe the judge.

This entire case smells badly.  The attorney should have demanded the court documents be sealed to protect the children instead they were immediately released to the media.

If the attorney and the children's father refuse to protect the minor children, the judge should have refused to unseal the documents to protect the children.  There is absolutely no way the documents relating to custody or visitation of minor children should have been released to the media (as previously stated, the papers have nothing to do with any criminal case)

If the documents are legitimate - shame on the parents, the attorneys, and the court for not protecting the children.

So is this legitimate or is it reality show or balloon boy?  I don't know.  If it's legitimate - then it is obvious Kaine cares more about defaming and gaslighting Terri than he does about protecting his children.  Kiara will be reading everything including the court documents when she is older thanks to the "adults" and the court not caring enough to protect her and her brothers.

The judge should take Kiara away from Kaine for her protection and to prevent her from being used as a bargaining chip against her mother. 

So is Kyron Horman missing or is this real life reality TV or a balloon boy episode?

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Why does Kaine Horman and Desiree Young refuse to search for Kyron Horman?

In court papers filed yesterday (October 25)  in his ranting against Terri Horman, Kaine stated Terri refused to search for Kyron Horman and implied it made her an "evil person with no empathy"1 (I wondered if he knew what the word empathy meant before reading this blog)  This court document appeared to have been written by Kaine himself and not by his attorney.  If the attorney wrote it, it's obvious she is under Kaine's narcissistic spell like so many others and she needs to reconsider her line of work.

Back on june 25, Kaine and Desiree gave an interview where they said law enforcement refused to let them search because they "were not qualified" and they "may get lost" and "may destroy evidence"  (see video clip1 )

Yet in Washington State there is a 12 year old girl who went missing a little over a year ago.  Her name is Lindsey Baum.  She disappeared while walking a block home from a friends house in the town of McCleary, WA (70 miles SW of Seattle)  The FBI and numerous law enforcement agencies were (and still are) involved in her search.  Her parents and friends repeatedly looked for her (with law enforcement's blessing) - and the case is considered a criminal case where several people have been persons of interest in the case.

The reason I am bringing Lindsey Baum up is because law enforcement, in this CRIMINAL CASE, has not only allowed her family and friends to search for her but are now allowing prisoners to help search for her --- helping for the THIRD time (at least)  So Kaine and Desiree's fairy tale of not being allowed to search because they are "not qualified" is more than a little suspect (okay - it's a downright LIE)  The only parents who refuse to search for their missing child (if physically able) are the ones who know what happened to the child and where the child (or children) are.

When will ANYONE else call out Kaine and Desiree for their obvious lies and inconsistent statements???

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/10/26/1396310/mccleary-search-for-lindsey-baum.html

MCCLEARY: Search for Lindsey Baum will get help from prison inmates

Inmates will help law enforcement officers search for missing 12-year-old Lindsey Baum of McCleary this week.


THE OLYMPIAN
Published: 10/26/1012:00 am

Inmates will help law enforcement officers search for missing 12-year-old Lindsey Baum of McCleary this week.

The FBI, the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s Office and the Washington State Patrol will be working with inmates from the Cedar Creek Corrections Center to conduct targeted searches in and around McCleary today, Wednesday and Thursday.

The inmates assisted in searches for Lindsey during August and early October.

Staff report
 
1.  I believe Kaine Horman kidnapped or killed Kyron Horman

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Monday, October 25, 2010

I believe Kaine Horman kidnapped or killed Kyron Horman

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine+October+25+Filing.pdf

I believe that Respondent has harmed or secreted Kyron
The other day, Kaine said Terri did "unimaginable harm" to Kyron.    He does not say law enforcement told him and of this.  All of it is is a typical divorce  "I want my way, she is evil" type of crap.  Innuendo and Kaine's beliefs won't hold up in court.  His divorce attorney should be ashamed of the type of garbage she presented to the court today. 
She is unwilling to cooperate with the investigation or law enforcement, and has been unwilling to help in the search for Kyron

Previously in the same court papers Kaine claims Terri cooperated and took three polygraph tests - then further down, he says she is "unwilling" to cooperate.  And who is he blaming her for not searching for Kyron when he refused to because he was afraid of getting lost???1

Page 6 # 19-22 (note Kaine has taken possession of Kiara)
Meanwhile Respondent refuses to answer any questions about Kyron's whereabouts and intends to assert her Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate herself in any upcoming hearing regarding the best interests of my daughter Kiara

I want Respondent to begin cooperating with law enforcement.
I want Respondent to tell the truth
I want Respondent to provide information to investigators that may lead to Kyron's location.

 If people do not see that Kaine is a malignant narcissist, they are blind.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/25/earlyshow/main6617351.shtml
June 25, 2010
Kyron Horman's Parents: Stepmom Wants Him Found

But Kyron's biological parents stand by Terri Horman.

"I believe she's committed, as the rest of our family is, to finding Kyron. And any other information regarding that is -- the investigators are working with her and with us to help find him, so I don't really have any other comment on that," said Kaine. Young shook her head in agreement as he spoke.
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video


This is becoming an obvious divorce game that was well thought out in advance.

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Once again, Kaine defames Terri and gaslights her in today's court papers

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-Terri-unfit-105734863.html

Court papers:  http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine+October+25+Filing.pdf

Kaine, the malignant narcissist that he is, cannot take a delay in the abatement hearing.  He's ticked off his divorce was abated until january and is now using Terri's daughter Kiara as a pawn against Terri Horman.

Kaine is now claiming Terri is "emotionally disturbed" and "may have a personality disorder (projecting his own onto Terri) and should not have supervised visits with Kiara.

KGW independently obtained a copy of Monday’s court filing. In it, Kaine suggests their daughter may have witnessed “some unimaginable act of horror” on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline Elementary. 
 Is this why Kaine bought Terri a Mustang and why he allowed her to take Kyron to school as well as back and forth to Eugene for Desiree's visitation?
Kaine also stated in the filing that it was common for Terri to be visibly impaired from alcohol, including slurred speech and a staggering gait.

"I believe that any contact that Respondent (Terri) has with our daughter will be detrimental and will jeopardize her physical safety and emotional well-being."
 Before the failed murder for hire sting, Kaine and Desiree both said Terri was a good mother.  None of this inflamatory self-serving garbage was ever mentioned until it benefits Kaine.  It is in direct retaliation for the divorce hearing being postponed until january.  Kaine will lie to and manipulate the courts to get his way.  

Why did he not mention the alleged alcohol problem in earlier court papers?

The answer is, he is trying to end run around the judge's ruling on the abatement being postponed and he is demanding the evaluations that the judge previously abated.  He is manipulating the court and the judge just like he did to law enforcement.

Kaine Horman is definitely responsible for whatever happend to Kyron Horman.  His narcissistic rage with the courts is proving that time and time again.    He is the one that needs the mental evaluation.  Kiara should be removed from his care before he harms her.

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Clarice

You need to stop posting your harassing comments on my blog.  If you do not like what I write, go elsewhere.

You must think your threats of Kaine suing me means anything to me - or the threats that I won't get any more "followers" bothers me. 

Just how narcissistic are you that you claim you do not know Kaine and yet threaten me with him suing me and then claim nobody else will ever follow my blog because I won't post your harassing comments?  I did not create this blog to see how popular I can be.  If I  did, I could think of a half a zillion better topics for that.

Neither bothers me - so go back to the sock puppet site and stay away from here.  People have the right to opinions that oppose yours without being harassed.  Or are you just pissed because others are now sharing theories that do not include Terri being gaslighted and defamed?  Kaine's sock puppets control 99.9% of the sites that discuss Kyron Horman - and this will never be one of them - even if I have to disable comments again (which is obviously what you are trying to force me to do )

You may claim to not know Kaine but if that is the case, why do you care whether people think he's guilty or not?



Play exposes flaws in justice system

Must read article

http://www.thefamuanonline.com/lifestyles/play-exposes-flaws-in-justice-system-1.2379863

 "The Exonerated" exposes the stories of six real individuals who were convicted and sentenced to death row for crimes that each did not commit.

Already the harassing comments are starting (I'm not surprised)

Didn't take long before the mentally unstable cyber bullies started posting their harassing comments.  It's obvious they did not read my blog and only posted to harass and threaten Kaine suing me for libel - as well as wanting  to know who my sources are (as if I would tell them)

clarice --- do you really think I would reveal my sources and allow them to be harassed by you and Kaine's other sock puppets?

My "sources" (if I have any) may work with Kaine and if you think I would subject them to his narcissistic rage, you have another think coming.  If you think you can harass and bait me by posting comments, you are the one that should fear a lawsuit.  Go back to your fellow sock puppets and defame Terri with absolutely no evidence and stop judging me for posting an alternate theory to the herd mentality.  With Terri's high price attorneys, it's Kaine and Desiree that should fear the slander lawsuit.

http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/2010/09/herd-mentality-sock-puppetry-of-terri.html

i might just have to get a few of our other friends to join in on the comments on here we will do.... a 42ndstate comment forum..;ets see the first one will be (what do people think of this person 42ndstate)

if banned i will remake another account,if this person thinks she/he has the right to her sick lies about kaine 2 can play this game,and i promise you they wont be able to stop many other of kaines and desi`s friends from commenting their thoughts about this 42ndstate

 Notice the herd mentality of the highlighted statements:  Agree Terri is guilty or be harassed and bullied by Kaine Horman's friends.  This is one of the reasons I no longer post on oregonlive where Kaine's sock puppets  are allowed to harass and piss all over those who dissent to the herd mentality that "Terri is guilty".  This person does not even know me yet they threaten to harass and bully me because I think Kaine is likely guilty and Terri isn't.

Cyber bullying, depression, and suicide

 For those that asked:  I'm not depressed (far from it)  I wrote this post in response to two local (Seattle area) kids that killed themselves after being cyber bullied)

Lately the news has been filled with stories where teenagers have committed suicide because they were bullied online.  This is not surprising because bullies with low self esteem can hide behind an anonymous user ID in order to harass others that do not agree with them or their their opinions. Most people think they are anonymous and can hide behind their computer screen or an anonymous proxy server.

Many news and social media sites fail to fairly monitor their users.  This has become obvious in the Kyron Horman case.  Most of the news sites will let people post defaming statements and threats of torture against Terri Horman.  Yet if you even hint that Kaine Horman may have been involved, your posts are censored and you are threatened of being banned - and yet they allow other users  to make posts that threaten your life, call you names, and make disparaging statements against you - a complete stranger to them.1

Children who have fragile self esteems because of their age and insecurities while growing up become depressed and some even suicidal under such harassment.  Usually when there is one cyber bully, there are others.  They tend to form groups and become a cyber gang of thugs.1

It is unfortunate and disgusting that this is allowed to happen.  Kids who complain find either the online forum / social media site is slow to act and, after some experience,  they see it as almost useless to try to get it removed.  They also soon realize that once it is posted in one spot, it has spread uncontrollably to many other sites.  The overwhelming harassment by others causes these kids to become depressed.  Some do complain about it but others have been let down by those around them so much (and maybe even bullied by them) they give up.  Some kids cannot even count on their parents - those who are suppose to defend and protect them.

Site administrators running news site and other forums need to take responsibility.  They can run all the articles against cyber bullying and run articles about the president speaking against cyber bullying but if they allow it on their forums, the message they are sending is that page views and revenue matter more to them than the actual victims of the cyber bullying.

I started this blog because my views were being censored and I was a victim of cyber bullying / harassment.  Few people wanted to share different views and discuss all the possibilities.  Many already had Terri Horman convicted and wanted to torture her to get her to talk.  If you posted there was no evidence she was guilty and you thought Kaine Horman was responsible for Kyron's disappearance, people started calling you "Terri", "DeDe", and making statements and comments about you.  And when one of them did it, there were others who joined right in with them (I have pages and pages of such harassing comments)  Maybe it's because I'm INTJ (myers-briggs personality type) and others of different personality types would rather go with their "gut instinct" instead of facts.  Even if that is the case, they have no right to bully others and not allow others to share alternative theories.  They seems to be narcissists in thinking they are right (even with no evidence) and others who would rather go with the facts and do not think like them are "automatically wrong".

Even after the rash of cyber bullying suicides and articles about how victims of cyber bulling become depressed and suicidal, the news sites are still allowing the cyber bullying of those who post views opposing  the vocal minority (views which are mirrored in their one sided "news" articles)

I challenge the media sites to moderate their forums better and to stop the cyber bullying.  Their forums are suppose to be for sharing different ideas and opinions and not just to increase their page views and ad revenue.

I challenge people to care about those around them and if they recognize the signs of depression2 to be there for that person and find out what the problem is and get them help to deal with it.  If it is cyber bullying, contact the authorities.  There are laws against computer harassment. If if the site refuses to deal with it, file attorney general complaints against the site in both your state and the state the web site is based in. You can also get a restraining order against the site forcing them to stop the cyber bullying against you.

Remember:  The bully is the one with the problem and they want to make you feel worse about yourself than they feel about themselves.

1.  http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/2010/09/herd-mentality-sock-puppetry-of-terri.html

2.  http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/depression-symptoms-and-types





Cyber Bullying: Bullying in the Digital Age
 

Comments now allowed (Moderated)

As a trial, I have enabled comments.  They are moderated.  If there is any name calling, death threats, juvenile behavior,  or other harassment that I experienced on Oregonlive, I'll turn the comments off again.

Sunday, October 24, 2010

First poll closed / New poll open

The first poll (now closed) asked  "Do you believe Terri Horman is guilty of doing anything to Kyron Horman?"

The new poll asks  "Do you believe KAINE Horman is guilty of doing anything to Kyron Horman?"

Here is the results of the first poll:

Do you believe Terri Horman is guilty of doing anything to Kyron Horman?

Yes! The facts PROVE it.
  15 (16%) 
NO. She would not do anything to harm her son.
  18 (19%) 
Not sure although I have my suspicions.
  25 (27%) 
Not sure. I doubt she was responsible.
  31 (34%) 
Kyron who?
  2 (2%) 


Votes so far: 91
Poll closed


Saturday, October 23, 2010

A second reason Terri Horman's attorneys told her to keep her mouth shut

The biggest reason Terri Horman's attorneys told her to keep quiet and not say anything is because nothing she says to the police would be able to help her.  In fact, even if innocent, what she says could be used to convict her.

Very important:  Watch the two videos in a previous post (see: MUST WATCH VIDEOS: Why Terri Horman's attorneys told her to keep her mouth shut )   It may one day protect your rights.

The second reason has to do with the libel and slander laws in the United States.  First a couple of definitions:

Libel is written  slander is spoken otherwise the definition is the very same.
Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.1
 There is a difference for public figures.  Public figures must prove malice of such statements.  This means Kaine and Desiree, having gone before the public numerous times with their defamation of Terri, would need to prove any false libelous or slanderous statements made against them were done maliciously.2   This also means is Kaine and Desiree were defaming Terri under instruction from either law enforcement or attorneys,  those that instructed them would be legally responsible as well.  Nobody told either of them what to say because they would know the legal liability of doing so.  This is likely why the Oprah interview was trimmed down to eight minutes.

Because Terri has not given any public statements, her attorneys could argue that she is not a public figure or, at the most, is a limited public figure.  This means anything that is false and cannot be proven true that is said to harm her reputation or induces hostile opinions of feelings against her are grounds for a defamation / libel and/or slander suits against those making such statements.

It is obvious that unless everything said against Terri Horman can be proven, her attorney has grounds for a defamation / libel / slander suit against the parties making those statements.  This includes Kaine Horman, Desiree Young, and anyone posting horrible things against her.  The same cannot be said about Kaine and Desiree since they have made themselves into public figures by giving all of their statements to the media.  Because of their media events, they would need to prove malice by the person making statements against them - a much harder, if not impossible, burden of proof.

My guess is that when law enforcement's case against Terri Horman falls apart due to no evidence she did anything to Kyron Horman, her attorneys will be filing a defamation / slander suit against both Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and maybe even some of Kaine's media and social media sock puppets.Think before you post.  What you do say (even online) can and may be used against you in a court of law.
 
1.  http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Slander+and+libel
2.  http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html

A treatise on the law of slander, libel, scandalum magnatum, and false rumors: including the rules which regulate intellectual communications, affecting ... individuals and the interests of the public  mesothelioma


Kaine Horman: Pathological liar and master manipulator

 NOTE: Phone interview with CW Jensen now available on NWCN (documentation link # 3)


This week Terri Horman requested SUPERVISED visitation with her daughter Kiara.  One reason she did was  because after the abatement hearing, Kaine Horman said he would consider letting Terri see Kiara ("generous" of him especially since he has no say in it).  Last friday, Terri's attorney filed court papers asking for the restraining order to be amended so Terri could have supervised visitation with her daughter Kiara.1  Supervised and not unsupervised because custody had been put off until january during the abatement hearing and no parental exams were to be scheduled until then.


We have heard Kaine Horman and Desiree Young get in front of local and national media the last three months and state they believed Kyron Horman was alive and that Terri had "stashed" him somewhere.  Kaine enrolled Kyron in school and soccer and all his sock puppets felt sorry for him because "Terri had Kyron hidden somewhere and would not return him".  Law enforcement stated in the september briefing they had no evidence Kyron was not alive and they were going on the premise he was alive somewhere.  For three months Kaine Horman stated on TV that Kyron was alive somewhere - apparently with his attorney's approval since it continued for so long.


Yesterday in the court papers we all of a sudden have Kaine stating he believes Terri did "unimaginable harm" to Kyron after kidnapping him.2  Okay - loose words - no evidence - not even stating "unimaginable harm" means.  An inflammatory term used to manipulate peoples thinking.   The court papers do not state law enforcement told him this - this is just what Kaine now believes because it suits him to make these claims in order to use his daughter as a bargaining chip to get Terri to speak about something she has no knowledge of.  This trick is to twist and use anything she says against her to convict her of a crime Kaine committed.  Innocent people confess to crimes they did not commit all the time after being pressured into doing so (see: Kaine wants to force Terri to confess, even if though he knows she is innocent )

You have the media refusing to question Kaine's ever changing stories / gaslighting of Terri saying whatever fits his purpose at the time.  You have former police detective CW Jensen making claims Kaine would not say this in court documents unless law enforcement told him3 (see:  The Sleazy Character of CW Jensen )   What nobody is stating - other than myself - is Kaine is a liar and a manipulator and will say whatever he needs to to get his way.  He is a malignant narcissist and this is exactly what they do to manipulate their sock puppets.  Narcissists will lie to law enforcement and in court documents to get their way.  Malignant narcissists believe the law does not apply to them.  Kaine's sock puppets are so enamored with him they will not call him out and will go right along with whatever he says no matter how contradictory his statements are (see: The narcissism epidemic, collective narcissism, and the "Terri is guilty" herd mentality )

So which is it - Did Terri kidnap Kyron and have his safely stashed somewhere or did she do "unimaginable harm" (whatever that means) to him???  Could it be Kaine read the emails I received third hand and knows people know what he did to Kyron and now he is projecting his own guilt onto Terri (see: Kyron Horman "insider" information? Or just a fairy tale? )  ???  it is clear Kaine Horman or one of his buddies is reading this blog because this "unimaginable harm" seems to be in response to those third party emails that states Kaine was molesting Kyron and Terri was taking him to a doctor to prove it. ---  either that or this is a balloon boy episode and they are taking the script from what they read on the message boards.  Nothing will surprise me about Kyron's disappearance.

Terri will get supervised visitation.  Kaine's allegations Terri did something to Kyron is unsubstantiated - after all, it's been four months and Terri has not even been named a person of interest let alone charged in either Kyron's disappearance or the phony murder for hire plot Kaine arranged to have come up via his nursery owner friends landscaper buddy (see: BREAKING NEWS - Alternate Theories EXCLUSIVE )

This is yet another attempt by Kaine for an end run around Terri's fifth amendment rights and is in direct response because he lost the abatement hearing and wants it NOW and not in january.  Watch the two videos to see why Terri's attorneys told her to keep quiet (see: Why Terri Horman's attorneys told her to keep her mouth shut )

Once again, Kaine is throwing  a fit because he lost the abatement hearing and because the judge did not force Terri to tell him where she got the $350,000. he claims she paid her attorney.  This guy is a total sleaze bag and I am more convinced than ever he is totally behind whatever happened to Kyron.

I can understand the widespread mental illness of Kaine's sock puppets especially the gullible unthinking people with very low self esteem that are lifelong co-dependents --- but why is the media, law enforcement, and the court not calling him out on his ever changing lies and inconsistent stories he has been feeding them for months?  Kaine really believes the judge can be manipulated and will believe Terri did "unimaginable harm" to Kyron (even though law enforcement has not even said she was a suspect) just because he THINKS she did (when it suits him)   Judges do not like children being used as pawns - and yet that is what Kaine is doing to Kiara.

1. Terri Horman seeks visitation rights with her daughter Kiara; More Sauvie Island searches this weekend?
2. http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/6/9/b69f88e8-b5dd-4ee7-a91d-7125fde7b948/SharpNews_koin.com_20101022_165135.pdf
3. http://www.nwcn.com/video?id=105580958&sec=551647




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